tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post4790511485803365771..comments2024-01-27T06:46:56.744-06:00Comments on Paradigm Farms Horse Retirement: One Horse, One Week of InjectionsMelissa-ParadigmFarmshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14274830693649851658noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-28374257339022495512012-05-10T22:59:53.284-05:002012-05-10T22:59:53.284-05:00Would LOVE to see a video of Sam licking the air!!...Would LOVE to see a video of Sam licking the air!! *hint, hint* =)An American in Tokyonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-30994125771296306312012-05-05T09:46:52.138-05:002012-05-05T09:46:52.138-05:00I am aghast! I knew these things were common in r...I am aghast! I knew these things were common in racing but not to this extent! A four year old!!?? No wonder the poor thing broke down- he shouldn't have been racing in the first place. But where large amounts of money are involved...Vivian, Apollo's Momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-88404977112953488312012-05-04T19:55:29.863-05:002012-05-04T19:55:29.863-05:00Wow, I'm honestly shocked (naive, I know). Hav...Wow, I'm honestly shocked (naive, I know). Having the images and timing of doses like that really gives it a physical reality, if that makes any sense. I don't know much at all about injections of most types (haven't had much cause to learn about most just yet) but it doesn't take an expert to think that program is awful. <br /><br />My friend just got back from the winter of working with a dressage rider in Florida and she was telling me that it's the norm to inject pretty much any issue that comes up, on a regular basis. It's definitely not just racing.<br /><br />When Willy's stifles were locking, the vet was preparing to do an internal blister. It's not a joint injection in the usual sense, but rather creates a bubble of fluid that last a few days to keep the ligament in the path it's supposed to be in. I asked a million questions before I felt even remotely comfortable with proceeding. I'm sure some people would disagree on the procedure, but my perspective was that risk was slim to none and it could really help him. <br /><br />All that to say, I agree medication had it's place - I take anti-inflamatories to clear inflammation out of a bad ankle so that I have healthier muscle recovery. I do the same for my dog on occasion. I don't do it so that either of us can run a marathon/sprint the next day (but maybe run 5k a couple times a week).RuckusButthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14760056031442317243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-19138169500097350502012-05-04T19:47:33.834-05:002012-05-04T19:47:33.834-05:00B1, yes, although if the horse needs a soother tha...B1, yes, although if the horse needs a soother that badly I'd be worried about competing it. Legend, yes although I'd be concerned about the necessity in a four year old. <br />Bute... well maybe a single dose no less than seven days out, say if the horse had a fall or got cast. Ditto for the banamine although I'm less comfortable with that. I'm not happy with a horse being worked on both, still less at those dosages, still less competing. <br />For older horses I'd be ok with a very low level dose of bute the morning of a day of hard work - say an old hunter getting a half dose to ease his joints. Not banamine and not for competitive purposes though.<br />Adequan and joint injections in a competitive 4 yr old? No way. <br />The rest in a pre race week? Also no way.<br /><br />All of those drugs have a place and a use, but I remain firmly of the opinion that they should be therapeutic, not to mask problems for competition, except possibly for older horses in the case of joint injections.FDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485030894416936129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-3819508713734926722012-05-04T07:36:28.598-05:002012-05-04T07:36:28.598-05:00Adequan and Legend if neccessary, bute and banamin...Adequan and Legend if neccessary, bute and banamine ditto but the amounts suggest it wasn't for a one time thing. A number of those drugs also cause bone demineralization as a side effect. Added on top of a routine that involves 23 hours a day in a stall, too little exercise, large amounts of grain (high phos=less calcium available for bone strength) in the ration, and often long-toe/low-heel shoeing, and it's a wonder more breakdowns don't occur. And I'm not even anti-racing, just against some of the "traditional" methods that are detrimental.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-58129045217433300802012-05-04T07:33:41.420-05:002012-05-04T07:33:41.420-05:00JMHO - if a horse needs all that to race\compete\...JMHO - if a horse needs all that to race\compete\perform his\her job.. he\she shouldn't be racing\competing\working.<br /><br />I'm ok with the Adequan and maybe legend. Ok with hock injections but only after x-rays. But to keep comfortable on an ongoing basis. Not to prop up for race\show<br />job.<br /><br />Touchy subject - glad you wrote about it.Jenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906855143092978620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-35909908466730017242012-05-04T05:53:01.761-05:002012-05-04T05:53:01.761-05:00Beautiful pictures - and yes, what a shocking amou...Beautiful pictures - and yes, what a shocking amount of medications. 0_0Landershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14613235363954103351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-56887479887446307492012-05-04T05:25:48.629-05:002012-05-04T05:25:48.629-05:00That was a particularly disturbing case. Not all ...That was a particularly disturbing case. Not all injections are bad if done for specific reasons to treat a specific condition, as you point out. But injections should never, ever be used to make a horse able to race, or go in the show ring/pen, if the horse wasn't sound enough or healthy enough to do so without the injections. But this sort of thing is a problem in many horse disciplines, where horses are just sports equipment to be used up and thrown away. If multiple joint injections are needed to keep a horse in work, the horse is in the wrong sort of work and may need to be retired or at least stepped down in workload - that's my objection to many joint injections, where they're used to treat a symptom and mask the real problem. And don't get me started on breeding without regard to conformation or soundness . . .<br /><br />I no longer watch racing, although I used to love it - too many breakdowns even at the highest levels of the sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-19486279133064026362012-05-03T23:44:45.822-05:002012-05-03T23:44:45.822-05:00That makes me sick. My heart was just pounding re...That makes me sick. My heart was just pounding reading your post, and I have a racing background. <br /><br />I'm sorry, I think that the trainer belongs in jail- and the vet too if it was all one vets "work". Disgusting.CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05083608347643075663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2113210295764288330.post-84988518727029462682012-05-03T22:09:52.052-05:002012-05-03T22:09:52.052-05:00Like you, I am OK with the Adequan and possible Le...Like you, I am OK with the Adequan and possible Legend. I would be OK with one or two shots of bute if the horse had a gas colic 6 or so days out, with a pinpointed cause that has been eradicated.<br /><br />If your horse needs joints injected, they shouldn't be that close to hard work/ serious competition IMO. <br /><br />I don't know where I stand on Lasix, but it is legal to race on and many horses race successfully on it for a long time without any apparent consequences. Others, of course, have issues, or bleed through it, and really shouldn't be racing.<br /><br />The only other thing I am sort of OK with is the B1, although I think it should be feed-through rather than injected. <br /><br />I had a horse who developed arthritis early (quite noticeable changes as a late 5 year old, due mostly to EPM. He was started as a 4 year old). He got his hocks injected and did great, and was also kept on a supportive joint supplement. I knew he would not last forever with those joints, but he needed them injected about once a year if working, longer if not, and was comfortable and did not need bute, etc. <br /><br />It's a fine line between maintaining an athlete that *may* have a longer, more comfortable life if you didn't use them. But, they can also hurt themselves in the field or colic and twist/rupture. You want to be fair to the horse but also enjoy your use of him. When there is money tied up in it, the horse probably always loses.Bifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07648037666735227722noreply@blogger.com